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Stampless Mail from 1821 / Question regarding Montgomery AL - Veracruz cover & 3 real marking
« Last post by Farley Katz on December 15, 2018, 09:11:42 PM »

A friend has posted the following question regarding the attached cover on another site but has not received a definitive answer regarding the 3 marking --
I have a cover to Vera Cruz by ship (which was probably also the port of entry) in 1849.  It bears a single marking, a Mexican "3".  Could anyone enllighten me on the rate involved?

[added later] As to the 3 rate I am asking about, I assume there is a small chance it went overland -- could this be the Mexican charge from the US-Mexico exchange point to Vera Cruz?

The following is his discussion regarding the "25" marking -  I include it here only in case it bears on the question regarding the "3". 


The letter is postmarked at Montgomery on Feb 25 (1849) for British Packet, by way of Mobile Point.  My current theory is that the rate: 25(!) is a form of freight(like) money.  The question is, since anotther related cover in Van's collection, which fits the steamer schedule does not have  any Mexican (neither have British markings) markings, why the difference.  One thing that needs exploration is that the Feb. 25 date is well in advance of the departure of the Great Western for Vera Cruz sometime shortly after March 8 leaving a bit of a gap.  I was trying to figure out if the Mobile P.O. was trying to accelerate delivery by sending the letter overland or by private ship.  The US PMG indicates there was some special out of the (British) mail arrangement in existance.

(One cover to UK, which could stay in Imperial postal hands the whole way, does not show this wierdness.  The two or three wierdness covers are to Hargous, the  U.S. consul and a high muckity-muck.  In one case, the address is to Hargous but the content to others.)
It is reasonably clear at this point that covers were travelling on the British packet and not necessarily getting British markings.Major correction -- that is September 25 -- and the letter is dated at Mobile September 20. (Possibly per Teviot, October 4).  This may not be the only one with strange dateline.
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Dealer announcements / Spuff
« Last post by Tad Mackie on December 12, 2018, 12:13:38 PM »
Anybody heard anything about Spuff?  (It's been a couple of weeks...)
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1874 Issue / Postal rates during 1874-83 Issues.
« Last post by Marc Gonzales on December 08, 2018, 12:05:10 PM »
I believe the Circular/preprinted matter rate at the start of the 1874 issue was 5 Centavos, however it appears that at some point during this issue it was reduced to 4c.  I have circulars used in 1875-6 with 5 centavos stamps, and a circular used in 1883 with a 4c stamp.  The 4c Hidalgo Head stamp was issued in 1880.

Can anyone tell me when the Printed Matter rate was changed from 5c to 4c?  The date of the tariff?  I don't see this information in Chittenden, Billings or Cossio.

Thank you
Marc Gonzales
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1856 -1861 Issues / Re: Help With 2 Reales 186??...
« Last post by Marc Gonzales on December 08, 2018, 11:47:17 AM »
Rodolfo,
I think the stamp could have a PUEBLA overprint but I don't think it is an 1867 Provisional usage.  Although the area you highlighted looks like it could be 1867 year, the typical Puebla cancels used at this time did not show the year, only the month and day i.e. Sch. 1147.  1861 Hidalgos used provisionally in 1867 often have the Gothic Mexico name which proves they are provisionally used, other examples may have the PUEBLA name and unless on a dated cover can't be identified as they would look just like an 1861 usage.  Attached is example of a provisional PUEBLA usage, as you can see there would be no way to say this is 1867 usage unless it had a letter and docketing.
Marc Gonzales
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1856 -1861 Issues / Re: Help With 2 Reales 186??...
« Last post by Rodolfo Torres Vazquez on December 07, 2018, 12:24:11 PM »
Please, some specialist can help me  :-[  ???, thanks!


Regards!
Rodolfo
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General Discussion / Contact Information for Juan Cabuto
« Last post by Mike Roberts on December 02, 2018, 08:01:26 PM »
Juan Cabuto,

Your Telnor email address no longer functions.

Have need of your expertise in revolutionary era sonora revenues.

Mike Roberts
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Dealer announcements / Again 25 Classic Mexican Stamps Started On Sale Today Sunday 2 - 12:30 CDT
« Last post by Rodolfo Torres Vazquez on December 02, 2018, 04:59:25 PM »
 Today Sunday 2, I put on sale in eBay 25 of my Auctions + 4 in "Buy-It-Now" with Mexico Classic Stamps, maybe is of your interest.
 
 Eagles, 1864-1866
 
 
* MEXICO - 1864, EAGLE- 1/2 REAL - 220-1864, MORELIA, SUB-23, PAZCUARO
 * MEXICO - 1865, EAGLE.- 1 REAL - 26-1865, GUANAJUATO - USED, TAY.: GN-1/19
 * MEXICO - 1865, EAGLE- 1 REAL - 83-1865, SAN LUIS POTOSI, SUB-72, MATEHUALA
 * MEXICO - 1865, EAGLE.- 1 REAL - 101-1865, GUANAJUATO - USED, TAY.: GN-1/19
 * MEXICO - 1865, EAGLE.- 1 REAL - 130-1865, GUANAJUATO - USED, TAY.: GN-1/19
 * MEXICO - 1865, EAGLE- 1 REAL - 135-1865, MATAMOROS, MANUSCRIPT NAME - USED!
 * MEXICO - 1864, EAGLE- 1 REAL - 220-1864, MORELIA, SUB-2, PATZCUARO, TAY: ML-27/2
 * MEXICO - 1865, EAGLE.- 1 REAL - 220-1864, MORELIA, SUB-8 PAZCUARO, SUPERB!!
 * MEXICO - 1865, EAGLE- 2 REALES - 111-1865, MEXICO, USED, CONSIGMENT SCARCE!
 * MEXICO - 1866, EAGLE- 4 REALES - 117-1866, MEXICO, USED: JULY 19, 1866
 
Maximilians, 1866-1867
 
 
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 25c. 73-1866, COLIMA - USED
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 25c. 82-1866 - PUEBLA, USED WITH TAY.: PU-1/34 -OCTOBER 22
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 25c. 85-1866, VERACRUZ - USED
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 50c. 39-1866, VERACRUZ - USED
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 50c. 43-1866 - MEXICO, USED WITH TAY:1/36 IN SEPTEMBER 2
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 50c. 62-1866, ORIZAVA - USED
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 13c. 101-866 - VERACRUZ- USED IN: NOVEMBER 13
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 25c. 109-866, GUADALAJARA, WITH NAME - USED
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 25c. 111-1866, MEXICO - USED IN JANUARY 28, 1867
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 25c. 130-1866, MEXICO - USED IN DECEMBER 13, 1866
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 25c. 137-1866, QUERETARO, SUB-4, CELAYA - UNUSED
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 13c. 140-1866, SAN LUIS POTOSI, BLOCK OF 4 - UNUSED
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 13c. 2-867, ORIZAVA - UNUSED
 * MEXICO - 1867, MAXI.- 13c. 16-867, APAM- USED IN APAM
 * MEXICO - 1866, MAXI.- 50c. 11-867, MEXICO - USED

 
Continue the "Buy-It-Now" with "Make Offer" in the following items:

  * MEXICO - 1879 - JUAREZ, 50c. - VERACRUZ, 379 - USED
 * MEXICO- 1882 - JUAREZ, 1c. - TEXCOCO, 1182 - USED - TAY: TD-TJ-1/12, 10PTS
 * MEXICO- 1879 - JUAREZ, 85c. - COCULA, 4479- USED?
 * MEXICO- 1879 - JUAREZ, 50c. - C. VICTORIA, 4781 WITH NAME MAZATLAN, TAY: MZ-1/22
 
 
https://www.ebay.com/str/modelmx/Mexico/_i.html?_storecat=23368914016
 
 
 Thanks for visit my page!
 
 Regards!
 Rodolfo
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Revenue Stamps and Paper / Re: Mexico's Revenue Stamps Second Edition
« Last post by Mike Roberts on November 25, 2018, 08:26:42 PM »
Correctio:
The price is actually $12.
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Dealer announcements / Again 21 Classic Mexican Stamps Started On Sale Today Sunday 25 - 12:30 CDT
« Last post by Rodolfo Torres Vazquez on November 25, 2018, 04:04:57 PM »
Hello friends!
 
 
 Today Sunday 25, I put on sale in eBay 21 of my Auctions + 4 in "Buy-It-Now" with Mexico Classic Stamps, maybe is of your interest.
 
 Hidalgo's 1856
 
 
* MEXICO - UNSTAMPED COVER - LAGOS - RED CANCEL.
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, GUADALAJARA - USED WITH TAY.: GD-1/12
 * MEXICO -1856, HIDALGO- 1/2 REAL BLUE, MEXICO - COVER, FIRST RATE PERIOD, D.TRANS
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, MEXICO, DOUBLE TRANSFER AT TOP - USED
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, MEXICO - USED, "TEARDROP" OVERPRINT
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, MEXICO - USED WITH TAY.: MX-1/36 - PAIR
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, MEXICO - USED, STRIP OF FOUR IN PIECE
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, ORIZAVA - USED, TAY: OZ-1/4, EARLY PLATE
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, PUEBLA- USED, TAY: PU-1/19, 2 PTS.
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, VERACRUZ - USED, TAY: VE-1/24 - 20 PTS.
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO.- 1/2 REAL BLUE, ZACATECAS - USED WITH TAY.: ZA-1/5
 * MEXICO - HIDALGO 2r ON COVER - DOCKETED - USED IN SEPTEMBER 13, 1858 IN GUADALAJARA
 * MEXICO - HIDALGO 2r ON COVER - DOCKETED - USED IN APRIL 3, 1857 IN MEXICO
 * MEXICO - HIDALGO 2r ON COVER - DOCKETED - USED IN JANUARY 22, 1857 IN MORELIA
 * MEXICO - 1856, HIDALGO- 8 REALES VIOLET, MEXICO -USED
 
Foreign Mail - Juarez
 
 * MEXICO - 1879, JUAREZ- 50 79, CAMPECHE - FRANCO EN EL CARMEN, OVAL CANCEL.
 * MEXICO- 1881 - JUAREZ, 10c. - GUADALAJARA, 3781 - TAY: TD-GD-1/49, 10 PTS
 * MEXICO- 1879 - JUAREZ, 5c. - MEXICO, 5479 - USED WITH TAY: MX1/98, 10 PTS.
 * MEXICO- 1881 - JUAREZ, 10c. - MEXICO, 5181 - USED WITH TAY: 1/93, 10 PTS.
 * MEXICO- 1880 - JUAREZ, 2c. - MEXICO, 5180 - USED WITH BOGUS CANCEL.
 * MEXICO- 1879 - JUAREZ, 1c. - MEXICO, 5479 - WITH BOGUS CANCEL.
 

 
Continue the "Buy-It-Now" with "Make Offer" in the following items:

  * MEXICO - 1879 - JUAREZ, 50c. - VERACRUZ, 379 - USED
 * MEXICO- 1882 - JUAREZ, 1c. - TEXCOCO, 1182 - USED - TAY: TD-TJ-1/12, 10PTS
 * MEXICO- 1879 - JUAREZ, 85c. - COCULA, 4479- USED?
 * MEXICO- 1879 - JUAREZ, 50c. - C. VICTORIA, 4781 WITH NAME MAZATLAN, TAY: MZ-1/22
 
https://www.ebay.com/str/modelmx/Mexico/_i.html?_storecat=23368914016
 
 
 Thanks for visit my page!
 
 Regards!
 Rodolfo
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Dealer announcements / spuffnstuff closing on 25th november at 0900PST and hospital news.
« Last post by Martin "Spuff" Spufford on November 21, 2018, 10:35:07 AM »
Dear clients, friends and collectors of Classic Mexico.

My big operation will be on Wednesday(NZ time) 28th November.
This  auction closes on 25th.
I will send out invoices to every winning bidder within 2 hours of the auction ending.
As soon as you receive the invoice, hit the paypal button and I will start the mailing process.
I will the do the mailing as soon as the paypal payments start to arrive.
I hope to have it all done before lunch on Monday (NZ time) and in the post to you.

My lots as follows:-

Pre-stamp
5 cover

1856 issue
A super group lot of 52 with lots of sub-office interest see my (lot BW1262)(2 scans attached)
3 covers

Imperial Eagles
24 singles including as follows:-A Tulancingo 1st period medio (lot me0634), a 1R Tulancingo 1st period (lot me 0635), a 4r SLP sub 11(1865) Tula de T (lot me0626), a lovely 2R Tulancingo 1st period on piece (Lot me0636) and a medio from SLP sub10(1865) Tula de T (lot me0623).
5 covers.

1874-1883 issues
2 interesting group lots

Foreign Mail issue
10 singles

Numeralitos
10 singles.

To view all of my lots and to place your snipe bids just use this link which will take you directly to my site.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_skipfnorm=1&_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=spuffnstuff&_sop=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=200&_fosrp=1

 That’s it for this week.

Depending on how it all goes in the hospital my next auction will be closing on Sunday 16th December UNLESS I am discharged early from the hospital.
If that should be the case I will let you all know and try to put up an auction closing on the 9th Dec.
That’s it for this week and wish me luck on the operating table. All being well I will send out an email the day I am discharged with all my news.

Your friend and Clasic Mexico stamp lister in New Zealand

Cheers
Spuff
C.MARTIN SPUFFORD
PO BOX 104050 LINCOLN NORTH
AUCKLAND 0654
NEW ZEALAND
Ebay name
spuffnstuff
tel 64-9-8375577.
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