Author Topic: Thin fig. 50c w/ period?  (Read 1561 times)

Bubba Bland

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Re: Thin fig. 50c w/ period?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 10:33:45 AM »
Thomas,

Thanks for spotting this example among the photos of forged stamps. I missed that entirely, because I was so sure this stamp was good. The print, the cancel and even the overprint as very realistic. The only thing that is at all off the norm is the distance between the district number and the year date. They are 16.5 mm apart and the normal is 16 mm. Well in the peremptory of these numbers. But, what I did find is some very light spots in the "O"  of Mexico, leading me to believe this is just an excellent fake.

I have also compared the color to those of both genuine and "Tipo" examples I have in stock. Generally speaking the genuine is a richer color and the tipos are just the opposite, but the down side to this comparison is that they are all pretty close in appearance. Nevertheless, I have a dozen or more of both the genuine and the tipo copies in stock. This also convences me that I have a bogus copy, because it looks more like the general tipo than it does any of the genuine examples.

I remember Doug talking about these forgeries, with a little discomfort, because he had been taken for some serious dollars when he first started collecting the '68s. Fortunately for me, I don't have a lot of money in this particular stamp, since it was just one of many I purchased at the time.

Now after reviewing, the whole process of study on this stamp I would advise anyone that purchases a thin figure 50 centavos '68, that has a period after the denomination to realize they have a 99% chance of a fake. Do, however, be careful that you don't take a stray cancel mark as a period.

Thanks again for your input on this Thomas.
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Re: Thin fig. 50c w/ period?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 12:51:02 AM »
Bubba,

Turn to Color Plate 8 at the beginning of "Mexico the 1868 Issue: A Specialists Handbook" (Heath & Stout).  Look at the last stamp on the third row ("Printed from the worn thin figure master die with forged overprints and cancels").  That 50c thin figure undeniably has periods after it (after the "0" and after the "T").  It's visible with the naked eye or a 3x magnifier.

Note, I'm not making any claims about the relationship of this example to your stamp (indeed, I know very little about the 1868 issue).

Regardless, either the authors of the text made a mistake including this image in that set (e.g., they have misidentified the example as a "thin figure" and the mistake wasn't caught before the book went to print), or you have yourself an example of a 50c thin figure with periods (yes, it is listed under the "forged overprints" section of the color plate, but it is an example nonetheless).

Unfortunately, I don't see anything else in the Heath & Stout book in the "forgeries and reprints" section that speaks to periods in the thin figures.  Nothing in the re-touch sections either.  This adds to my confusion on what this example is doing in the color plate.

Well, perhaps this is something for you to go on.

Thomas

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Re: Thin fig. 50c w/ period?
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 09:25:28 PM »
This is amazing. 25 views and no one knows what this stamp is?

Come on, someone must have a specialty in '68s.
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Thin fig. 50c w/ period?
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 02:41:05 PM »
I picked up this stamp some time recently and put it aside because I could not find any mention of a period behind the 50 centavo issue in thin figure.

Can anyone help with reference, or a good opinion?

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